Friday, October 26, 2012

County court candidate Debra Young gets thrown off jury duty UPDATED WITH COMMENT FROM YOUNG ... UPDATED AGAIN

Here's a link to the TU story about Young's short-lived stint on jury duty. Give it a read and then read the response from Young's camp again.       

http://www.timesunion.com/default/article/Law-Beat-Appellate-Division-rejects-101-page-3994103.php
YOUNG


Earlier this week, in a case that kind of flew under the radar, Rensselaer County Court judge candidate Debra Young was called for jury duty.

And she was not chosen.

Why? You might ask. I’m told by someone who was in the courtroom that it was because she said she told Judge Andrew Ceresia she could not be fair and impartial if the defendant does not testify and she could not give the same credence to the testimony of a police officer as any other witness.

I’m told you can still be a juror if you admit to those two things – which is understandable for someone off the street - but say OK if the judge instructs you not hold the defendant accountable if he or she refuses to testify and to give a police officer’s testimony no more credibility than say someone with a string of felonies.

Young, from what I’m told, said she couldn’t do either and was dismissed from jury duty.

Just a little background … the above questions are asked in just about every criminal trial since the defendant always has the right to testify and since the burden of proof is on the prosecution has the right not to. And in just about every trial I have seen, cops do testify since the defendant becomes a defendant only after being arrested and generally it’s the cops doing the arresting.

Anyway, it’s all part of the Vior Dire process that the defendant, the prosecution and the judge put jurors through in an effort to get a panel that is fair and impartial and can give the defendant a fair shot. We are all human so the black and white letter of the law is blurred thanks to our inherent frailties.

That said, I don’t know who bounced Young but someone did and I know it was because of the two answers she gave.

I also know there are a number of defense lawyers out there who are trying to get a copy of the transcript to throw a monkey wrench into any trial she presides over – should she get elected county court judge – during which a police officer testifies. As I mentioned, trials where cops don’t testify are few and far between.

It’s kind of funny that Young wants to be a judge but was bounced off jury duty because she can’t follow the judge’s orders. Human frailty is probably one of the main reasons people stand in front of a judge. They do so with their attorney by their side and with the prosecution across the aisle ready to do battle with whatever means at their disposal. The judge is the referee, and is supposed to make sure what they at least kind of stick to the black and white.   

But, as one defense attorney said: “At least she was in county court.” The back story to that is that she has spent a good part of her career doing medical malpractice stuff and really hasn’t, among the opinion of many, spent too much time doing criminal work. And overseeing criminal trials is what a county court judge does.

As far as the case in question goes, police in Colonie got a complaint about two black guys who appeared to be drunk walking around in traffic near the Target on Wade Road.

Police went to check it out and there were in fact two drunk guys walking around. They weren’t necessarily doing anything wrong, but were arrested anyway after a scuffle with police – who I am sure didn’t harass them or anything.
MAIER

One of the guys, Zebedia Jackson, was taken to Samaritan Hospital in Troy and was restrained to a gurney. While restrained, from what I’m told, he started spitting on people – either on purpose or by accident.

A cop saw it, and the process of putting either a mask or a towel over Jackson’s face ended up with his hand in Jackson’s mouth. Jackson bit him and was charged with assaulting a police officer.

After a day of testimony, Ceresia tossed out the charges and Jackson, who was represented by Albany attorney Michael Jurena, is a free man and can again get drunk at his pleasure and walk around traffic on Wade Road.     

And Young is running against Troy City Court Judge Chris Maier, by the way. She has four lines thanks to the GOP having control of the Independence and Conservative parties and I think this one if going to be close.


To: Lisa Lewis, Editor, The Record

 
Date: October 27, 2012

 
Re: County court candidate Debra Young gets thrown off jury duty

 
Cc: Jim Franco, City Editor, The Record

 
We are writing this correspondence regarding a news article posted on the website of The Record, www.troyrecord.com, on October 27 which includes erroneous, false and damaging information to Debra Young.

 
Debra Young was not contacted by the reporter prior to the publication of this news article, published on The Record’s website, www.troyrecord.com on October 27, 2012.

 
Referencing the headline, “County court candidate Debra Young gets thrown off jury duty”; the headline is incorrect as Debra Young was not “thrown off” jury but in fact was not selected and no reason given for her not being chosen to serve as a juror. The statement also falsely implies misconduct or misbehavior by Debra Young as a juror; in fact, Debra Young fully and legally executed her obligations as a juror.

 
Referencing the second paragraph, Debra was not chosen to be a juror. No jurors were informed why they were not being chosen; only those picked for the panel were informed they had been selected.

 
Referencing the third paragraph, and the statement “she told Judge Andrew Ceresia”; Debra, in fact, did not talk to Judge Ceresia.

 
Referencing the third paragraph and the statement “she could not be fair and impartial if the defendant does not testify”; Debra Young, in fact, did not say the statement attributed to her.

 
Again referencing the third paragraph and the statement “she could not give the same credence to the testimony of a police officer as any other witness”; Debra Young, in fact, did not say the statement attributed to her.

 
Referencing the fifth paragraph and the statement “Young, from what I am told, said she couldn’t do either”; Debra Young, in fact, did not say the statement attributed to her. Other jurors did make the statement attributed to Debra Young.

 
Again, referencing the fifth paragraph and the statement “and was dismissed from jury duty”; no reason was given for the dismissal of Debra Young and the statement erroneously implies a reason was given for her dismissal.

 
Referencing the eighth paragraph and the statement “That said, I don’t know who bounced Young but someone did and I know it was because of the two answers she gave”; again, no reason was given for the dismissal of Debra Young, and the statement implies the reporter is unclear of the source of the information or obtained erroneous or false information via hearsay or malicious conduct.

 
Referencing the tenth paragraph and the statement “It’s kind of funny that Young wants to be a judge but was bounced off jury duty because she can’t follow the judge’s orders”; the statement is damaging to Debra Young, based on false information and moreover, there was never a statement that Debra Young was dismissed because she could not follow judge’s orders and Debra Young in fact did not disobey, fail to follow or disregard any orders by the judge in the trial. The erroneous statement is damaging to Debra Young professionally.

 
Referencing the eleventh paragraph and the statement “really hasn’t, in the opinion of many, spent too much time doing criminal work”; in fact, Debra Young has spent considerable time handling criminal work, and given the opportunity, which was not extended by the reporter, would have discussed her professional qualifications. In fact, the State Independent Judicial Elections Qualification Commission rated Debra as “Qualified”, the exact same rating given to her opponent in the race.

 
Given the numerous factual inaccuracies as described in this correspondence, we respectfully ask the article in questioned to be removed from the website of The Record, www.troyrecord.com.

 

110 Comments:

Anonymous Anonymous said...

Debra Young's disdain for the police is well known. The courthouse is wild with talk about this incident in voir dire. And this woman wants to sit on the bench? The only thing more disgusting is her pick for the clerk's position if she wins.

October 27, 2012 at 7:33 AM 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Vic grew his beard for bear night at river street club. Love bill

October 27, 2012 at 1:10 PM 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

every night is high top night up at river street club

October 27, 2012 at 1:15 PM 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

At least she's honest. And how about Judge Easy Maier living up to his name by releasing the Pipino joker, who threatened to run over, stab & gut, and to shoot kids at the high school. And you want to put him in the big chair?

October 27, 2012 at 2:47 PM 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

She says she can't be fair and impartial about a defendant exercising his constitutional right... and she wants to be a JUDGE? Someone like this shouldn't even be a lawyer.

October 27, 2012 at 3:17 PM 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Free pizza on Saturday nights at RSC -- or is it 'Lights Out Night'?
High Tops are welcomed by the Gatekeeper Zuul.

October 27, 2012 at 5:47 PM 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This woman is a complete joke!

October 27, 2012 at 7:57 PM 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If she can't be fair and impartial as a juror, this woman will be a disaster as a judge. I give her credit for being honest, but no one in good conscience can possibly vote for her.

October 27, 2012 at 9:36 PM 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Troy cops have given up arresting street criminals because judges like Maier and DA McNally let them loose hours later. Ask any cop, they'll tell you. Deb Young would be tougher on criminals, couldn't be any worse.

October 27, 2012 at 9:56 PM 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Like so many republicans nowdays, Debra Young denies everything and expects us to believe her completely just because she says it's so. Why doesn't she tell us what she DID say instead of just a flat denial of everything. She is a far right-wing ideologue and has no place on the bench.

October 28, 2012 at 12:00 AM 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Kid got shot a week or so ago with a pellet gun. May lose his eye because of it. Shooter out on the street hours later. Who was the judge? Move 'em out Maier, that's who.

October 28, 2012 at 12:09 AM 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Young is obviously not fit to be a criminal court judge. The question here is whether party boss Rich Crist's pick for this important office has any background for the job aside from her affiliation with Crist's heckler who is sent to badger Democratic candidates.
Judges are expected to exhibit good character and good judgment. She fails in both areas.

October 28, 2012 at 9:27 AM 
Blogger Ben lives on said...

Talk about a hatchet job on Ms.Young. I understand newspapers are desperate to get into thee blogging business but you give us a bad name.

October 28, 2012 at 9:35 AM 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Is that Doran woman Dans ex-wife or mother? She looks to old to serve. Who could vote for her? Look at the decisions she's made in life already like marrying Dan for example, and she wants to award dairy princesses with the rest of loads on the county leg.

October 28, 2012 at 11:02 AM 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Troy cops drive good

October 28, 2012 at 2:10 PM 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This piece underscores Young's complete lack of qualifications for such an important position. She clearly has no concept of criminal or constitutional law. What a joke of a candidate!

October 28, 2012 at 2:33 PM 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Can the Record obtain a copy of the voir dire transcript and print the relevant sections(s) in advance of the election? I think this could certainly impact your readers'/voters' opinions regarding Young's candidacy.

October 28, 2012 at 3:42 PM 
Blogger The Real Kiki Cholakis said...

I totally support Debra because she is just like me, a good Republican partisan hack who hates the 'little people' who will come before her. I am giving her lessons on how to belittle people, abuse them and threaten to jail them if they are demanding justice.

Debbie and I have been going out campaigning together, lying about our opponents, and having Debbie's kid hand out campaign literature for other Republican candidates because campaign laws don't apply to us. We are above the law.

October 28, 2012 at 3:45 PM 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This sounds like yet another dirty trick by the Democratic party. Or are we all going to pretend there was no voter fraud trial? This was a set up. The Republican candidate for county court just coincidentially gets called for jury duty. She just happens to, low and behold, be put in the juror box. Now, there just happens to be "leaks" about voir dire. Incidentially, it is absolutely irresponsible to report anything said in voir dire. Do we just want to make it impossible to get anyone to show up for jury duty? I give this lady a lot of credit for doing her civic duty and going in for jury duty. She could easily have gotten out of it. This is a hatchet job all right and, once again, make Troy look like the corrupt city it is. and, of course as you well know, she is on 4 lines because she had her act todether and got her petitions signed. Not one other candidate got enough signatures to challenge her in a primary.

October 28, 2012 at 5:24 PM 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Maier wins..next..

October 28, 2012 at 7:12 PM 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ummm, 5:24.... it is not "absolutely irresponsible" to report anything said in voir dire. In fact, the U.S. Supreme Court has said that in criminal trials, voir dire must be open to the public.

Nice to see the Republican hacks defending Young know as little about the law as she does.

October 28, 2012 at 7:28 PM 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey, anonymous 10/28 at 5:24 - did you just not read the part about how she DID get out of jury duty by answering in a way she knew would disqualify her?

Jury duty is for the "little people," not for a big, important people like Debra Young.

Neither she nor her pal Kiki Cholakis are fit to be judges or even dog catchers. They couldn't be "fair" or "impartial" if their lives depended on it.

www.judgecatherinekikicholakis.blogspot.com

October 28, 2012 at 7:39 PM 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

My kids stayed over last night so I had to stay away from the pills and the booze. After I cooked them a nice breakfast in my ratty apartment i threw on my Rocawear jeans and my Namath jersey and we piled into my rusty pickup and went for a ride. My kid asked me why I had signs for Gary Pavlic and Harry Tuntunjian in the back of my truck. I told him that I wanted Gay Pavlic to win and that was taking down the other signs.
Well tomorrow is a new day and with a storm brewin I wont be sealing any driveways so I prolly will go to Bat She's and get drunky and pretend Im a political bigshot with the treeman dune buggy boy. Robert likes my company because he dont have many friends and he says people are always out to get him. After Bats we'll prolly go to the River Street Club again. We have so much fun there when the lights go out. During the storm the lights will stay out longer.

October 28, 2012 at 9:46 PM 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thanks for posting a link to the above blogger. Great stuff on his blog! Today he has posted a piece on women in elected office. really well researched. Thanks!!

October 29, 2012 at 6:24 AM 
Blogger Robert Cox said...

Poor Little Rich Kid Harry hitting the key boards again I see don't worry that big mouth Crist will protect you from the Big bad Wolfs in Troy!!

October 29, 2012 at 8:11 AM 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Pic of a red f150with a Harry sign in back to be sent to Franco now. Was taken off project road

October 29, 2012 at 3:18 PM 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Beware of video Randy. Remember Tim Gordon?

October 29, 2012 at 7:49 PM 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A Democratic plot to call Debbie Young for jury duty? Quite an active imagination you have there!

It might come as a shock to you, but I know at least four people from Schodack who were called in over the last few weeks. Everyone's last name was at the end of the alphabet, just like Young's.

But even if she was called in as an evil Democratic plot, nobody forced Debra Young to answer in the way she did to cause herself to be dismissed.

And you have to question the ethics of someone who wants to be a judge but feels she is "too good" to serve as a member of a jury.



October 29, 2012 at 11:10 PM 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

queestion why wont he let Harry be a member of his prized page..i believe he's afraid of what harry might call him out on and then all his followers will get to know who the real person behind the page is.

October 30, 2012 at 10:29 AM 
Anonymous rod said...

why doesnt mr wright run over the rock throwers in his neighborhood?

October 30, 2012 at 2:11 PM 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

i like the comment about posting the full transcript on the blog! there is nothing secret about voire dire, criminal trials should be open to the public. the transcript it easy to obtain - you just ask the clerk's office who the steno was, call the steno, and ask for it. you may have to pay a fee, but it would be so worth it. the electorate could actually get some insight into a judicial candidate before voting, which practically never happens! her response denies the comments attributed to her, but let's hear what she actually said...the buzz around this courthouse was that it was absolutely shocking that anyone running for a county court judge would say the things that came out of her mouth. GET THE TRANSCRIPT! and vote for Judge Maier!

October 30, 2012 at 2:15 PM 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

And don't forget when going into the voting booth that Maier,(who I was ready to vote for), let Kyle Pipino go free. Pipino, if you don't already know, is the idiot who threatened to gut kids with a knife, run a few more over with his pick up truck, before pulling his fire arm out. Letting him go without any bail, is a slap in the face to every parent who sends their child to school in Lansingburgh. I already fear sending my child to school -- parents in Lansingburgh don't deserve this extra added layer of stress.

October 30, 2012 at 5:10 PM 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lookout north greenbush your children need to watch themselves crossing the street there's a new resident coming to your town who just was preamp proved for a mobile home. Johnny boy

October 31, 2012 at 9:49 AM 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am familiar with Debra Young from her position as a town board member.
My experience has been that she goes along with the majority party decisions (controlled exculsively by republicans)and has never in the times I've attended meetings exhibited any opinions or feedback that would help to serve a meaningful discussion. I would not consider her to be open minded or willing to listen to reasonable discussions and comment or provide insight that would assist people in any way.I am a local concerned resident not a political operative (in fact I consider myself a moderate).
Schodack resident

October 31, 2012 at 6:20 PM 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Johnny right of way. Lol. Love nimrod

October 31, 2012 at 8:41 PM 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Gee, now that the Times Union has corroborated the story, and named actual sources, is Young going to revise her "rebuttal"?

This woman shouldn't even be a lawyer, much less a judge.

November 1, 2012 at 12:50 AM 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ms. Young touts her extensive "trial experience", but yey gets bounced from the jury "for cause"? lawyers have a limited number of jurors they can kick off service simply based on a belief that the juror will not serve the best interests of the client. However, lawyers have unlimited number of chances to throw a juror off "for cause", based on is a specific and forceful reason to believe the person cannot be fair. How experienced a trial lawyer can she be if she basically told the court she had preconceived notions about the evidence, and would prejudge a case? I know some republicans out there may hate to do it, but please do not vote for this woman. this court is important. you may not love the alternative, but this woman sitting on the bench would be dangerous to public safety.

November 1, 2012 at 12:12 PM 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

randy still talking about claiming unemployment and Jeff pirro working under the table..he really should look in the mirror on that one..thats how he pays his child support..(which can easily be checked out at family court)with his unemployment and we all know that he works he post pictures every time.. sooo isnt that the same thing as what he is accusing Pirro of??

November 1, 2012 at 12:45 PM 
Blogger The Real Kiki Cholakis said...

This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.

November 1, 2012 at 5:41 PM 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The pedestrian always has the wright of way. Pugh

November 1, 2012 at 10:27 PM 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Popped a few pills and went on a sign spree with treeman. We just left river street club. We met up with the guy whose signs were putting up. You can have a lot of fun in there. its dark and they have pizza too and a lot of guys. Treeman had his chainsaw with him, it tickled a little. He is so silly. My facebook page is growing but its only 3 of us talking to eachother. I am so obsessed with twotonengine that that I named a pair of my rocawear jeans after him. I have pictures of him all over my apartement. Whenever i see him out and about I am so shy and nervous i don't know what to say and i run away and hide. Someday i'll get the nerves to tell him how i feel about him. Until then I will keep writing on my page. Even treeman in his squeaky little voice says he runs away scared when he sees twotonengine. I know where harry is every mornign but I am still too shy to go see him. If i did i wouldn't sound like a tough guy on my page anymore. In all my 40 plus years my facebook page is the most importent thing I've done and Im prouder of it than my arrest records and pill popping. Well there was that one time i got that oldlady for 4 grand for spreading a 12dollar pail of sealer on her driveway...I'm prolly proud of that too.

November 2, 2012 at 12:29 AM 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I know Deb Young from her stink on the Schodack Board, too.Your would think a lawyer would know it is illegal and against the Open Meetings Law to participate in a "meeting before the meeting" to hash out how all the members are going to vote on something. But no, she participates anyway. How else could they all vote in lockstep, meeting after meeting, year after year, without ever having public discussion about issues facing our town?

I once saw them stuck with having to discuss something in public and Young, Frank Curtis and the supervisor pushed their chairs away from the mics so nobody could hear what they were saying.

These people have their own rules.

Young is a hack who should never go beyond her position in private practice - she would ruin too many lives if she did.

November 2, 2012 at 7:26 AM 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Stick a fork in Debbie Young - she is done. She is nothing but a partisan hack who was allowed to run because she and her husband are in bed with Rich Crist.

The GOP may have had a prayer with Abelove but no, Debbie and her husband Chris Lucarelli needed to get paid off for all their partisan work.

You may want to re-evaluate how to field candidates, Mr. Crist.

November 2, 2012 at 6:15 PM 
Anonymous Greg Cholakis said...

Whoever is posting as "the real" anyone, please grow up. "What's that, you say?? In ten years, there's actually a couple of disgruntled family court respondents out there?" I'm shocked. On the off chance you care, you're rallying around an emotionally unstable respondent who has been repeatedly charged with stalking, harassing and violating orders of protection issued to protect his ex-wife. Over time, he's fired at least five different attorneys that were provided to him before insisting he represent himself. He regularly interrupted court proceedings, and refused to leave after being told his case had been adjourned and that many other families were waiting. And you're saying my sister's unfit because once, she ALMOST held him in contempt of court? This man has taxed the patience of EVERY judge he's been before. And by the way, his last (that I'm aware of) case was heard by a different judge, and ended with a jury finding him guilty of stalking and other criminal offenses he commit against his ex-wife. Again. You know, just in case the truth matters to you.

A wise family court judge once told me "With every decision, I make a friend for a week and an enemy for life." My sister does not demean or belittle anyone. Hard to believe, but there actually are a few rather difficult parties to contend with. Try asking an actual family court attorney (which I'm sorry but Ms. O'Connor is not and never has been) what they think, regardless of their political affiliation. Of course, you have to be fair and compassionate, but on occasion, you actually have to be tough. They'll tell you it's the most difficult legal environment to work in, and that the job doesn't come with training wheels. My sister and Judge Walsh have each been practicing in family courts for more than twenty years. Actually, relevant experience really does matter.

I've said it before but it's so easy for some to snipe at those who run for office and want to serve the public, even more so anonymously. Unless you're willing to step away from the computer and throw your own hat in the ring, a little respect would be appropriate. And to the truly courageous person who anonymously took a dig at Ken for who he is and for what he has HAD to fight for, you should be ashamed of yourself.

November 2, 2012 at 7:55 PM 
Blogger The Real Kiki Cholakis said...

It is nice that you support and defend your sister, Greg. You have never had to sit before her.

I personally don't know the ONE incident you have taken exception to, but I do know at least a half dozen people who have been before her. None of the people I know who have actually sat in her courtroom have a good word to say about her. They tell me she is short-tempered and nasty to people. Family Court is difficult enough for people - they don't need a judge who can't treat them with respect.

Rensselaer County families will be better served by someone with a more even temperament.

And that person is not your sister Kiki - it is Amy O'Connor.

November 3, 2012 at 10:06 AM 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey Robert Cox have you soiled yourself in any alleys lately? Rich Christ is a lot bigger than you thought huh? Rumor has it you ran like a little girl down the alley all the way back to key board and your aluminum foil skull cap. One good thing about pusses like you and the rest of you key board tuff guys you run like wind when your pulled on the carpet

November 4, 2012 at 10:00 AM 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I had an experience with "KIKI" when she was the county attorney and it was a nightmare. No help at all. Have no idea what kind of judge she is but because of that awful experience I had with her she will never get my vote or the vote of any of my family members.

November 4, 2012 at 11:45 AM 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Greg Cholakis - how would you know anything about the person whose situation was posted on Youtube unless your sister, Judge Catherine Cholakis, violated her oath of confidentiality and told you?

Not exactly a glowing recommendation for her as judge, now is it?

November 4, 2012 at 11:54 AM 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Partyed hard at Bats Friday nite for happy hour. I wuz rockin my new Addiction jeans and a new ball cap, backwards of course. Today I'm gunna find the lady who wrote the letter about Twotonengine and try to sell her a new driveway or seal job, cuz thats how i role. Bobby and I grabbed 32 signs last night and put up a whole bunch for Gary. Last year I did signs for the Gary that should have been sheriff but this new gary is way cooler. We dont go to Red Front like last year, this year we got to River street club and have pizza and showers.

November 5, 2012 at 6:53 AM 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Tree man police chilf and paver boy both seen sign stealing this weekend. Grow up ur hurtin ur own party. Look out for scaffolding Johnny boy

November 5, 2012 at 8:08 AM 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
Popped a few pills and went on a sign spree with treeman. We just left river street club. We met up with the guy whose signs were putting up. You can have a lot of fun in there. its dark and they have pizza too and a lot of guys. Treeman had his chainsaw with him, it tickled a little. He is so silly. My facebook page is growing but its only 3 of us talking to eachother. I am so obsessed with twotonengine that that I named a pair of my rocawear jeans after him. I have pictures of him all over my apartement. Whenever i see him out and about I am so shy and nervous i don't know what to say and i run away and hide. Someday i'll get the nerves to tell him how i feel about him. Until then I will keep writing on my page. Even treeman in his squeaky little voice says he runs away scared when he sees twotonengine. I know where harry is every mornign but I am still too shy to go see him. If i did i wouldn't sound like a tough guy on my page anymore. In all my 40 plus years my facebook page is the most importent thing I've done and Im prouder of it than my arrest records and pill popping. Well there was that one time i got that oldlady for 4 grand for spreading a 12dollar pail of sealer on her driveway...I'm prolly proud of that too.

November 5, 2012 at 1:52 PM 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

So when are you going to post all the stuff people have been saying all weekend long?

November 5, 2012 at 5:39 PM 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

obama wins easy ................
doran wins easier................
i dont really know how franco comes up with odds on races hell never be a guy who can put odds up oh and obama is 1-4 to win meaning 4 wins 1..

November 6, 2012 at 11:42 AM 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

yeah, Doran should do about as well as her ex husband did the last time.

November 6, 2012 at 2:42 PM 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Kevin McGrath takes credit for Harry's lose and said he will take all down next year so he will be the King of Troy

November 6, 2012 at 11:13 PM 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Kick rocks King Tut Buh-bye

November 6, 2012 at 11:22 PM 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

BY BY HARRY NOW WHAT O MY BRAKES NEED TO BE CHANGED

November 7, 2012 at 12:01 AM 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Looks like Deb Young forgot that elections are supposed to be settled by the olds boys club at the Court House. She won big. So did Kiki.

Hurt to hear jealous guys like Joey Ahern and Chuckie Thomas - GOPers - running Deb down. GOP made a great choice picking her.

November 7, 2012 at 3:01 AM 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I believe we can call her Judge Young now...

November 7, 2012 at 8:26 AM 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am so happy to see Harry Tutunjian and Hank Bauer get defeated! I hope Harry is being totally honest in saying he is out of Politics! I know better in my heart and am sure his massive ego will compel him to run for Mayor in that next election. Everyone knows that has been his goal all along. Harry just doesn't get it! The people of Troy don't want you anymore!
Go back to the public sector and STAY THERE! You did enough damage to Troy the past 8 years!

November 7, 2012 at 8:41 AM 
Blogger Robert Cox said...

Whats my Line Would the real Rich Christ please stand up?
The one with the bad comb over and hidden bald spot.
The one with Harry's alter Ego in his Briefcase.
The one who has Mirch to thank for rigging elections and using code to do there dirty little deeds.

November 7, 2012 at 8:44 AM 
Blogger The Real Kiki Cholakis said...

So how many cases are going to get thrown out because JUDGE Young is unqualified?

November 7, 2012 at 9:46 AM 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Run Robert, Run! Your keyboard talks tougher than you do in person!

November 7, 2012 at 2:49 PM 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

From where I sit, Tom Wade cost us the judge race. Making Maier do a primary and spend money and waste time, etc.

Wade was telling everyone Dems were winning both judge races. Besides two meaningless Co. Leg. seats, Dems got pounded where it hurts, losing two judge races, losing the McLaughlin Assembly race they said they were winning and watching Gibson clobber his opponent.

The Maier loss hurts the most. The judge in Troy losing to someone who has won what, a Town Board race, for county court is disgraceful.

November 7, 2012 at 2:52 PM 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Robert, you and your mouth are just a civil suit about to happen. Keep talking.

November 7, 2012 at 4:15 PM 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Harry thank you for your years of public service. Keep your head up Bill Dunne could only hope to do the things you have done.

November 7, 2012 at 4:56 PM 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Looks like the "jury" controversy did not derail Debra Young in the least.

GOP wins two big victories: Deb Young for County Court and Cholakis for Family Court. And the Dems thought they were winning both.

Add those wins to McLaughlin winning decisively and Gibson steamrolling in the county and it was a big night for the GOP. Sure, they lost the two legislative seats, but Democrats thought they were gonna have a big celebration on Election Night. And they didn't.

November 7, 2012 at 11:19 PM 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Beating HARRY and Hank is what really matters in the City of Troy! Two words stick out in relation to Harry; NEVER AGAIN! As far as Chris Maier, I suspect that his loss reflects more of the voters disregard for 2 jobs/judgeships in one family (like Bauer's, too) AND may have been a statement regarding arrogant Judge Walsh and her pompous ways. You can't win as a renegade Dem in this City. No one is above the Party. Kenny Z, Rodney, Nina & Felon Kevin should take note. Just in case they missed the Rabbit debacle!

November 8, 2012 at 9:29 AM 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Good luck to Mark McGrath as the new GOP chair

November 8, 2012 at 10:35 AM 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Young and Cholakis had too many lines to overcome. When its 4 lines to 1 once you get out of Troy its problematic for Democrats. Wade allowed the 3 Dems to primary and didn't back any until after the primary. Its called Democracy, he also was instrumental in backing the 2 Democrtas from outside the County that are now Supreme Court Judges defeating two connected Republicans. McLaughlin better enjoy this win. In 2 years, Cuomo will be on top of the ticket and will be supportive of the Democrat in that race. Seems to me that seeing as Mclaughlin carried Rensselaer County by about 3000 votes that the Democrats need to put up someone from Rensselaer County to take that seat back (as long as its not the Keith Hammond/Charlie Smith gadfly brigade). Maybe someone like Mike McNulty's aid that lives out in Brunswick would be good. I'm a Conser Democrat and I'd vote for him if he runs..

November 8, 2012 at 11:49 AM 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Other than the two legislative candidates in Troy (which won because of the massive Democratic turnout), Democrats supported by Wade and company got schooled. That is the leadership that the Democrats voted in again. We want Rabbit!

November 8, 2012 at 2:27 PM 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Let's see how smug you are when we taxpayers have to watch case after case get thrown out because Judge Young stated that she would hold it against a defendant if he or she asserts his or her Constitutional right not to take the stand, or that she believes a cop's testimony is more reliable than the average citizen's.

I am no lawyer, but I wouldn't let a single client testify and if my client gets found guilty, I would appeal on the basis of Young's sworn statements when she appeared for jury duty.

We will wind up paying her salary and then the salary of the qualified judge who has to re-try all those cases, plus court costs, public defenders.

Oh, yeah, it is just fantastic that she won.

November 8, 2012 at 7:16 PM 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Tom Wade, You blew it again with your arrogance. Backers did not work hard for the candidates so you could stick it to them. I hope the people who backed you are proud of themselves. As far as Troy is concerned, Harry and Hank beat themselves.

November 9, 2012 at 8:12 AM 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yeah Rabbit would have made a huge difference...Wake up, Rabbit lost get over it..

November 9, 2012 at 9:24 AM 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have one name for all you Dems out there that you will need to fear................Dan Casale he ran the county for the new State Rep from Saratoga and did a damn good Job he can wright his own ticket. What ever he want will be his.

November 9, 2012 at 10:40 PM 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"I am no lawyer, but I wouldn't let a single client testify and if my client gets found guilty, I would appeal on the basis of Young's sworn statements when she appeared for jury duty."

No, you are a lawyer. And probably one of the lawyers spinning some B.S. and nonsense because a qualified lawyer who works at a real law firm, and handles real cases just got elected. And there you are, begging for assigned counsel cases or scraps out of Family Court, and working out of the trunk of your car. Trying to pass yourself off as some hotshot, when you are just jealous and angry. You will also never be a judge, and thank heavens for that.

November 10, 2012 at 1:37 AM 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sour grapes make a terrible Vino. We shall see, now won't we. Think she's gonna be a bit tougher than Jacon-Thank God. Judge Easy is better off right where he is at city court

November 10, 2012 at 7:53 PM 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Disastrous election for the Dems. Losing two county judges. McLaughlin re-elected to Assembly with a wider margin. Gibson hammers his opponent. Marchione wins against a split ticket. GOP won big, despite Obama winning county by more than he won it in 2008.

Blame goes to the top - right to Tom Wade.

November 12, 2012 at 9:43 PM 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You mean Tom Wade, the guy who took both the city council & mayors office away from the GOP? There's more jobs at city hall then in the judge's chambers. That's how you get loyalty from party members. The Delusional Bunch should take their indictments, and convictions, and go play in another sandbox. This one is for winners!

November 13, 2012 at 3:29 PM 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Not many wins in the sandbox. More to Rensselaer Co. than Troy. Plus Obama ain't running next year in Troy. Terrible Tom is going after his own, and losing races because of it. And you are delusional if you don't see that. Losing two judges? Including one judge race to a nobody? C'mon.

November 14, 2012 at 12:13 AM 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The "qualifed lawyer" from the "real firm" is not a "Judge" until she is sworn in. The "Judge" may want to consider what the Judicial Commission will think when and if that transcript gets opened. Especially if it is found the "Judge" elect has been less than honest about her short time on jury duty.

November 14, 2012 at 2:25 PM 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sour grapes sour grapes sour grapes. Bad vino, bad vino, bad vino. Judge Easy is upset

November 14, 2012 at 7:27 PM 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey, Sherlock, you need to turn in your PI license - you are totally off-base about who I am. No, I am not a lawyer, just a Schodack resident who knows a lot about Young, Crist, Lucarelli and their shenanigans - including breaking and ignoring the law.

Young may be a qualified to negotiate a settlement in a medical malpractice lawsuit but she doesn't have the criminal trail experience she needs to be judge at the county level. But hey, what do Rensselaer County Republicans care about her qualifications? They are only interested in paying back Lucarelli for all his dirty campaign tactics that helped the GOP win election after election.They don't care if Rensselaer County taxpayers have to pay through the nose for her mistakes. As long as their pals are making money hand over fist, who cares how much it costs the taxpayer? That is what "small government" is all about.

But 2:25 may have a point - she may never even get to be sworn in. So the discussion could be a moot point.



November 14, 2012 at 7:53 PM 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

7:27pm. I guess you are not a member of Judge Young's fan club. BTW, have Schodack Democrats won any races the past decade???

November 15, 2012 at 4:45 PM 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wow. Dems get blown out in a judge race and the bitterness cannot be contained.

Both Young and Judge Easy were found to be Qualified. So the fantasies of the Assigned Counsel Crowd are just that - fantasies. Go back to waiting in line for your Family Court hand-outs.

"Hey, Sherlock, you need to turn in your PI license - you are totally off-base about who I am." No, I am not. You have three things: a law degree, jealousy about watching a successful lawyer from private practice get elected and a briefcase that is supposed to contain legal documents, but instead has a PBJ sandwich with the crusts cut off, which comes in handy while sitting in the Family Court lobby with your "clients".

Young won because she ran a better campaign - and because she was a better candidate and will be an outstanding judge. Which again, you will never be.

November 15, 2012 at 5:37 PM 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think Young won Schodack by like 1500 or 1600 or so. I guess the GOP doesn't have much too worry about out there.

Wasn't the Schodack Dem boss, Liz Gabel, a big Tommy Wade backer? Remember he pro-Tommy letters for Chair? Rabbit would have been better and gotten some wins.

But Gabel and Wade can console each other in the wreckage of their losses.

November 16, 2012 at 12:41 AM 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Young won because she had 4 lines, plain and simple. It had nothing to do with her "People's Court" campaign

November 16, 2012 at 11:06 AM 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wrong again, Sherlock! But if it makes you feel better to think I am someone you know, go for it.

Ginger Young got 1500 or 1600 more votes in a town with a two to one Republican enrollment advantage and with more lines than the Democrat. Who could have seen her winning Schodack by that many votes? And if it makes you feel better to think that was some big accomplishment, again, go for it.

Any lawyer who hasn't screwed up badly enough to get a few admonishments would be found to be "qualified" to be a judge - that is like getting a T-ball trophy. Big deal.

The rubber will meet the road when Ginger is held accountable for her testimony when she was called in for jury duty. She may also have to answer for her knowledge of Thurston Howell the III's (her hubby Chris Lucarelli) shady campaign tactics and his failure to file the Schodack Republican Committee's campaign finance reports for more than a year. Not to mention that he didn't claim all the contributions to the town GOP's coffers. After all, not only to they live in the same house, they were both committee officers at the same time. Are we to believe they never talked to each other? I am not sure why that never came to light during this campaign, but it should have. It shows a pattern that Ginger, Gilligan (Rich Crist) and Thurston think they are above the law.

I certainly hope you dwellers of Gilligan's Island live it up before the crap its the fan.

November 16, 2012 at 5:22 PM 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If Young because of the 4 lines, then what happened to Tut & Bauer?

November 16, 2012 at 7:38 PM 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Lou the great to banish sir lance a lot from the kingdom of the fifth floor. Lord dunne to replace lance with prince of high tops

November 16, 2012 at 9:25 PM 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Interesting. I don't think Chris Lucarelli looks like Thurston Howell III. I do think that Judge Easy looks like the sidekick from "The Wonder Years". Talk about power couples, did Judge Easy lose a few power points to his wife???

November 17, 2012 at 12:45 PM 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I didn't say Lucarelli looks like Thurston Howell, he acts like Thurston Howell - kind of like Mitt Romney - out of touch, thinks he is better than everyone else and obsessed with money.

November 17, 2012 at 4:56 PM 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Tut and Bauer had 3 lines in Troy. Huge number of Dem voters and minority voters came out in Troy to vote for Obama. Harry got more votes then he did when he was elected Mayor but was still wiped out. The towns are the opposite, more Republicans in general and Willard probably won the Towns over Obama..If you have 4 lines and run outside of Troy and are a Republican you probably win. I'd bet Young got beat handily in Troy and probably Rensselaer despite the 4 lines..

November 17, 2012 at 5:51 PM 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hightops rule. Dr. Death rules. The Devil rocks!

November 17, 2012 at 8:07 PM 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Losing the Young race really burns the Dems. And I always liked Gilligan's Island.

Then again, if you knew the cast of goofballs that are the Schodack Dems, Lizzie Gabel, Lynn Underwood, etc., then you know just how the Schodack GOP rolls to victory after victory.

Lizzie Gabel is Wade's handpicked chair. And she basically got blown out again and helped Young become a judge. The Wade team loses again.

November 18, 2012 at 12:28 AM 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Romney didn't win towns. Obama won RenssCo by almost twice what he won it in 2008. And despite that, Dems lost two judge races, State Senate and State Assembly, plus another town judge in NGB. Big losses, especially when you see how Obama won the county.

Rabbit would have gotten some W's. Fact is a fact.

November 18, 2012 at 12:30 AM 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yeah, Rabbit, CB Gadfly, Keith the bus driver and the rest of the Island of misfit toys would have carried the day for the democratic candidates..Snap out of it 1230am..

November 18, 2012 at 2:27 PM 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

That's how much you know about SChodack, 12:28 a.m. You are willfully ignorant. Elizabeth Gable mounted her own coup against the existing Democratic Town Chair and all sitting committee people. One of few people who survived was Wade's pal Joe McInerny who proceeded to rip off the committee to the tune of $2,000. So no, Gable is not Wade's "hand picked" chairman - in fact, the two were at odds almost immediately over the McInerny issue.

The only reason the Schodack GOP rolls "to victory after victory" is because the entire town workforce is Republican and they and their families all depend on the largess of GOP for the food on their tables.

How do you think the Schodack GOP deposits multiple thousands of un-itemized donations into their coffers each year? Mandatory attendance at the Town GOP fundraisers by all town employees, that is how. It doesn't matter if you are the town supervisor or a lowly clerk, you know you and your spouse had better be there or there will be hell to pay. But that is the biggest reason the GOP keeps trying to point the finger at Wade and the Board of Elections people, isn't it? Typical Karl Rove tactic - accuse the opposition of what you are doing yourself. That is how chicken hawk GW Bush became the "war time president" and people at the Republican Convention mocked decorated Vietnam War Vet John Kerry over his purple hearts.

As for Linda Underwood - she came within 200 votes of beating long-time incumbent Frank Curtis in a head-to-head match up. The take-away message should be that people are getting fed up with the stranglehold the GOP has in Schodack and it is only a matter of time before they lose their grip.

But the Schodack Republicans, like Mitt Romney, are too out of touch to realize it.

November 18, 2012 at 2:36 PM 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The poor Wade gang, denying reality. Who is delusional now?

Looks like Lizzy Gabel or one of her allies is trying to deny reality. "Elizabeth Gable mounted her own coup against the existing Democratic Town Chair and all sitting committee people. One of few people who survived was Wade's pal Joe McInerny who proceeded to rip off the committee to the tune of $2,000. So no, Gable is not Wade's "hand picked" chairman - in fact, the two were at odds almost immediately over the McInerny issue."
Jeez, Lizzie must be embarrassed to have supported Wade, seeing as how 2012 was a disaster for Dems. But everyone remembers her letters to Pulse and elsewhere supporting Wade. You can run Liz but you can't change the truth.
Rabbit knows how to get some wins, which was needed this year. That's the truth. Wade, Gabel, Underwood, etc. blew it big time.

November 18, 2012 at 5:32 PM 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Having fun, Gilligan?

I didn't see you deny the reality that the only reason the GOP wins in Schodack is the fact that every town worker is a Republican owning their paycheck to the party. I didn't hear you deny that every town worker has to attend expensive (but under $99 a head) GOP fund-raisers.

I didn't see you deny that Underwood came within 200 votes of ousting an incumbent Republican.

And how about how Obama and Gillibrand kicked Romney and Wingnut Wendy Long all across Rensselaer County? The demographics are changing, Gilligan, even right here in Rensselaer County.

Nobody is embarrassed about supporting Tom Wade. "Rabbit" would have been Rich Crist's dream County Chair, which is why he is still pushing so hard to keep the Democrats fractured and fighting with each other.

Your days are numbered, Gilligan. Enjoy your glory days while you still have them.Every Democrat hates you and the GOP more than they hate Wade.

November 18, 2012 at 10:02 PM 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Who is dr death. What about Zuul of the new peepers

November 19, 2012 at 7:51 PM 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Looks like Crist and the rest of the GOP had a good day on Election Day. Can't say the same for the Dems.

Funny watching Wade supporters try to cover their tracks. Especially after all the losses. No one really cares about Underwood, who can only claim she lost by what, 300 voters or something. Big deal. Still lost.

Rabbit would work to bring people together. When Obama can win our county by 7k plus and we cannot elect anyone down-ticket but two leg. seats in Troy, then we have a problem.

If not Rabbit then someone else please. Not Gabel though. She cannot win anything either, like Underwood.

November 19, 2012 at 10:53 PM 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

OK, let's see. Ms. Underwood lost by 200 votes, Joel Abelove lost to Rich McNally by about 1500 votes countywide. Both close, but A LOSS IS A LOSS!

Perhaps if the Schodack Democrats had better leadership, Ms. Underwood may have been successful. As for the Democrats, both Chairman Wade and Mr. Riley bring the same wweaknesses, they are both Troy-centric and don't have a clue about the rest of the County.

Here are some facts: Total GOP control in Nassau, North Greenbush, Brunswick, Pittstown, Schodack, Schaghticoke, Hoosick.

4-1 majorities in Berlin, Petersburgh, Poestenkill.

3-2 minorities in East Greenbush, Stephentown, Grafton and Sand Lake. A note about Grafton, the current Supervisor is, I believe, a registered Republican who ran on the Democrat line, I could be incorrect about that.

GOP controls Executive, Clerk, Sheriff, one Family Court Judge, one County Court Judge.

Not too bad for an enrollment disadvantage.

November 20, 2012 at 8:18 AM 
Anonymous Gilligan said...

RABBIT SHOULD BE THE CLEAR CHOICE TO LEAD US. HE HAS THE EXPERIENCE AND THE TALENT. WATCH OUT GOP!

November 20, 2012 at 2:12 PM 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Zuul, is the Grand Keeper of the Gate. Long before you get to the Princess of Carlyland, you must first past the watchful eye's of Zuul. The Royal Peepers, of the 2 year, full service plan, are better to watch the Prince of the High Tops.
Dr. Death is a tragic state since the un-timely demise of his beloved Twinkey.

November 20, 2012 at 9:19 PM 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Zuul of the new peepers oversees put put Peres moat whie Carley watches over lord Lou and paddy wagon chamberlain while prince of the hightops is shackled in the corner of codes while sir lance a lot of sleep oversees code for lord Russ reeves of the large secretary. Friar grassier keeps a watchful eye on miss Monica of the economics while dunne and minister Nina have lunch at the cafe below the kingdom of te fifth floor. While dr death sits in his extra large truck outside

November 20, 2012 at 11:04 PM 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrabbit!

November 22, 2012 at 8:33 PM 
Blogger Robert Cox said...

Beware of darkness Rich Crist The karma collector is coming for you!!

November 23, 2012 at 8:35 AM 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Is Bobbi Cox collecting karma behind Gendron's? I bet he's got his running shoes on...run Robert run!

November 28, 2012 at 4:52 PM 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Franco. I'd say you finally have enough to charge this cox clown with an Internet crime of some sort. I smell a threat and we all know he needs meds he doesn't take. Time to forward to police

November 29, 2012 at 5:18 PM 

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